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	<title>Comments on: Support for Microsoft Cluster Server (MSCS) in 3.5 update !</title>
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		<title>By: Giovanni</title>
		<link>http://www.yellow-bricks.com/2008/04/02/support-for-microsoft-cluster-server-mscs-in-35-update/comment-page-1/#comment-4284</link>
		<dc:creator>Giovanni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 13:36:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Duncan,
according to the MS website http://www.windowsservercatalog.com

They do not support the Clustering feature on VMware:

 Summary Support Statement*
 This configuration is Supported. 


* Customers with Premier-level support agreements should contact their account manager for more information
* Additional information is available in the &quot;Support policy for Microsoft software running in non-Microsoft hardware virtualization software&quot; which can be viewed here  

 Support Statement Details 

Product: Windows Server 2003 Service Pack 2 on VMware ESX with Windows Server 2003 SP2 (x86) Guest OS  

 Search the Knowledge Base for information related to this configuration


vsupport_comment 
  Supported features:  

 
  Unsupported features:  Failover Clustering (MSCS)

This make not easy to push the solution to customers even if it works...how would you reply to this ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Duncan,<br />
according to the MS website <a href="http://www.windowsservercatalog.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.windowsservercatalog.com</a></p>
<p>They do not support the Clustering feature on VMware:</p>
<p> Summary Support Statement*<br />
 This configuration is Supported. </p>
<p>* Customers with Premier-level support agreements should contact their account manager for more information<br />
* Additional information is available in the &#8220;Support policy for Microsoft software running in non-Microsoft hardware virtualization software&#8221; which can be viewed here  </p>
<p> Support Statement Details </p>
<p>Product: Windows Server 2003 Service Pack 2 on VMware ESX with Windows Server 2003 SP2 (x86) Guest OS  </p>
<p> Search the Knowledge Base for information related to this configuration</p>
<p>vsupport_comment<br />
  Supported features:  </p>
<p>  Unsupported features:  Failover Clustering (MSCS)</p>
<p>This make not easy to push the solution to customers even if it works&#8230;how would you reply to this ?</p>
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		<title>By: Duncan Epping</title>
		<link>http://www.yellow-bricks.com/2008/04/02/support-for-microsoft-cluster-server-mscs-in-35-update/comment-page-1/#comment-1413</link>
		<dc:creator>Duncan Epping</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 12:55:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>because it hasn&#039;t been tested / certified I guess.... it will probably work, but no support.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>because it hasn&#8217;t been tested / certified I guess&#8230;. it will probably work, but no support.</p>
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		<title>By: Barny</title>
		<link>http://www.yellow-bricks.com/2008/04/02/support-for-microsoft-cluster-server-mscs-in-35-update/comment-page-1/#comment-1412</link>
		<dc:creator>Barny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 12:25:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is there anything documented that details the exact reason/s why VMWARE ESX 3.0.2 does not support Windows 2003 Server x64 bit Microsoft Cluster Service (MSCS)?  

Are they saying they do not support it because they just don&#039;t know if it will work????........ or are there specific issues they encountered with the 64 bit version of W2K3 Server MSCS? 

V/R,

Barny,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is there anything documented that details the exact reason/s why VMWARE ESX 3.0.2 does not support Windows 2003 Server x64 bit Microsoft Cluster Service (MSCS)?  </p>
<p>Are they saying they do not support it because they just don&#8217;t know if it will work????&#8230;&#8230;.. or are there specific issues they encountered with the 64 bit version of W2K3 Server MSCS? </p>
<p>V/R,</p>
<p>Barny,</p>
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		<title>By: guidovk</title>
		<link>http://www.yellow-bricks.com/2008/04/02/support-for-microsoft-cluster-server-mscs-in-35-update/comment-page-1/#comment-474</link>
		<dc:creator>guidovk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 14:38:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Duncan:

Are there any particular reasons you try to avoid mscs clustering (of Exchange, for example) in a virtual environment? Are there any significant (technical) drawbacks?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Duncan:</p>
<p>Are there any particular reasons you try to avoid mscs clustering (of Exchange, for example) in a virtual environment? Are there any significant (technical) drawbacks?</p>
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		<title>By: Marcin Nobis</title>
		<link>http://www.yellow-bricks.com/2008/04/02/support-for-microsoft-cluster-server-mscs-in-35-update/comment-page-1/#comment-459</link>
		<dc:creator>Marcin Nobis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 13:50:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s there waiting to be downloaded.

&quot;
Support for Microsoft Cluster Service (MSCS)
VMware ESX Server 3.5 Update 1 supports Microsoft Cluster Service. Support is similar to ESX Server 3.0.1 with the following additions:

- Both 64 bit and 32 bit Windows 2003 guests are supported with MSCS. 
- Boot from SAN for VMs using MSCS is now supported. 
-Majority Node Set clusters with application-level replication (for example, Exchange 2007 Cluster Continuous Replication (CCR) is now supported. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s there waiting to be downloaded.</p>
<p>&#8221;<br />
Support for Microsoft Cluster Service (MSCS)<br />
VMware ESX Server 3.5 Update 1 supports Microsoft Cluster Service. Support is similar to ESX Server 3.0.1 with the following additions:</p>
<p>- Both 64 bit and 32 bit Windows 2003 guests are supported with MSCS.<br />
- Boot from SAN for VMs using MSCS is now supported.<br />
-Majority Node Set clusters with application-level replication (for example, Exchange 2007 Cluster Continuous Replication (CCR) is now supported.<br />
&#8220;</p>
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		<title>By: Duncan Epping</title>
		<link>http://www.yellow-bricks.com/2008/04/02/support-for-microsoft-cluster-server-mscs-in-35-update/comment-page-1/#comment-453</link>
		<dc:creator>Duncan Epping</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 12:32:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not yet available, should be available today according to the vmware website a week ago... so just a matter of time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not yet available, should be available today according to the vmware website a week ago&#8230; so just a matter of time.</p>
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		<title>By: Vegeta</title>
		<link>http://www.yellow-bricks.com/2008/04/02/support-for-microsoft-cluster-server-mscs-in-35-update/comment-page-1/#comment-452</link>
		<dc:creator>Vegeta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 12:23:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone an idea where I can download Update 1 for ESX server 3.5? Is it yet available? 

The release notes of ESX server 3.5 from the vmware site are still clear:

&quot;Microsoft Cluster Service (MSCS) is not supported in this release of ESX Server.&quot;


Thx,
Vegeta</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone an idea where I can download Update 1 for ESX server 3.5? Is it yet available? </p>
<p>The release notes of ESX server 3.5 from the vmware site are still clear:</p>
<p>&#8220;Microsoft Cluster Service (MSCS) is not supported in this release of ESX Server.&#8221;</p>
<p>Thx,<br />
Vegeta</p>
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		<title>By: Duncan Epping</title>
		<link>http://www.yellow-bricks.com/2008/04/02/support-for-microsoft-cluster-server-mscs-in-35-update/comment-page-1/#comment-440</link>
		<dc:creator>Duncan Epping</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 19:36:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott wrote about this a couple of days ago shortly. MSCS is stateful clustering, in other words the service keeps on running when a failover occurs. HA is stateless clustering, the VM will be shutdown and started on another node. So the service will have down time for sure.

In my opinion and experience there&#039;s a down side to both options... Stateful doesn&#039;t provide you with the flexibility VMware can provide you with, and besides that it isn&#039;t completely stateful anyway. In production environment you&#039;ll often see more downtime for stateful clusters than you would expect.

on the other hand, HA will never provide you with stateful clustering... but continous availability will in the feature. so we will just have to wait and see.

For an ESX environment virtual MSCS clustering is something I personally try to avoid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott wrote about this a couple of days ago shortly. MSCS is stateful clustering, in other words the service keeps on running when a failover occurs. HA is stateless clustering, the VM will be shutdown and started on another node. So the service will have down time for sure.</p>
<p>In my opinion and experience there&#8217;s a down side to both options&#8230; Stateful doesn&#8217;t provide you with the flexibility VMware can provide you with, and besides that it isn&#8217;t completely stateful anyway. In production environment you&#8217;ll often see more downtime for stateful clusters than you would expect.</p>
<p>on the other hand, HA will never provide you with stateful clustering&#8230; but continous availability will in the feature. so we will just have to wait and see.</p>
<p>For an ESX environment virtual MSCS clustering is something I personally try to avoid.</p>
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		<title>By: Bhargav</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bhargav</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 19:05:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jason,

What if you have an application that required high uptime? What if a VMware host crashed due to hardware failure and your VM was running on it?

HA will start the VM from other VMware host but there will be downtime involved. With MSCS, you can have 2 VMs separated by rules so unless both VMware hosts crash at the same time, you will always have a VM running and with MSCS, it can keep resources available to users.

Thanks,
Bhargav</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason,</p>
<p>What if you have an application that required high uptime? What if a VMware host crashed due to hardware failure and your VM was running on it?</p>
<p>HA will start the VM from other VMware host but there will be downtime involved. With MSCS, you can have 2 VMs separated by rules so unless both VMware hosts crash at the same time, you will always have a VM running and with MSCS, it can keep resources available to users.</p>
<p>Thanks,<br />
Bhargav</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Miles</title>
		<link>http://www.yellow-bricks.com/2008/04/02/support-for-microsoft-cluster-server-mscs-in-35-update/comment-page-1/#comment-433</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Miles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 07:45:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Duncan -

Just a quick question mate.  

Why would an architecture require MSCS if HA/DRS in enabled?  

What sort of env variables might dictate MSCS as necessary?   

I cannot think of a reason to use MSCS w/ VMware Guest OSs now that HA Clustering has been introduced?  Can you mate?


Best regards,
Jason</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Duncan -</p>
<p>Just a quick question mate.  </p>
<p>Why would an architecture require MSCS if HA/DRS in enabled?  </p>
<p>What sort of env variables might dictate MSCS as necessary?   </p>
<p>I cannot think of a reason to use MSCS w/ VMware Guest OSs now that HA Clustering has been introduced?  Can you mate?</p>
<p>Best regards,<br />
Jason</p>
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